Rush’s “2112″ Album and the Satan Conspiracy


Rush "2112" front cover

Back in the 80s when I was only just barely in my teens, I attended a retreat that was about how rock music was all Satanic.  It was one of those deals where they would show all the supposed Satanic album covers, play backwards Satanic messages and tell you how evil all the bands were.  To tell the truth, some criticisms were legitimate.  For instance, Jimmy Page of Led Zeppelin is truly at least fascinated with if not an outright practitioner of the occult (just do a Google search on Page and his fascination with occultist Aleister Crowley).  However, I ended up discovering on my own that many criticisms were not well-founded.  One of them was the criticism against one of my now favorite bands, Rush.

This criticism was due mostly to the album cover for their 1976 album “2112″ (see picture above), which features a pentacle as part of the cover art.  The pentacle is basically the same thing as a pentagram, just turned differently so that the one point is pointing upward instead of down, like the pentagram does.  As the story goes, this supposedly makes the members of this band Satanists because they have an obviously occult symbol featured prominently on one of their most famous albums.  The problem with this theory is that those who make this accusation have done little or no research or just basically parroted the accusation from other sources. To understand why the pentacle is featured on the album cover, you have to understand the story behind the title track of this album.

Written by drummer Neal Peart and based upon some of the writings of author Ayn Rand, “2112″ is a story set in the distant future in a far away solar system called the Solar Federation.  On one of the planets, the main character discovers a strange stringed instrument, a guitar.  At first he’s not sure what it is because things of this sort have been banned by the priests, those who are in control of his world.  The song progresses as he learns how to tune and then to play this instrument and, in his excitement, he goes before the priests to show them what he has found and what beautiful music he can make with it.  In their anger, the priests destroy the instrument and the man goes off, dejected at what he has just experienced.  As the song and story ends, the Solar Federation is engulfed in a revolution and the powers that be are overthrown.

Another part of the story describes the “red star”, which is the symbol of the Solar Federation.  The Solar Federation is, according to the story, the bad guys in this story of good versus evil.  Therefore, the “red star” or pentacle, is clearly viewed as a symbol of evil, not something that Peart is saying should be worshiped or held up as a symbol of good.

Rush "2112" back cover

Further defining the status of the pentacle, the back album cover for “2112″ again displays the pentacle.  However, this time the image of a naked man is silhouetted in front of it with his arms extended towards it, his palms facing outward as if he is pushing against the pentacle.  I’ve come to understand through my research (I can’t remember where I read it) that this symbolizes the natural man and his struggle against evil.  The large image of the computer chip at the bottom is represented because some of the lyrics for “2112″, from the section titled “The Temples of Syrinx”, say “We are the priests of the temples of Syrinx…Our great computers fill the hallowed halls.”

As you can see, the image of the pentacle is not at all representative of the religious beliefs of the members of Rush.  Actually, Neil Peart, in a letter to a newspaper here in the U.S., refuting claims of Satanism made against the band, stated that he does not even believe in a literal Satan and, I believe, I’ve read elsewhere that he is agnostic, which doesn’t surprise me based upon the other lyrics he’s written over the years.  You can read the entirety of this letter here.

Neil Peart

As I said earlier, there is indeed some warranted criticism of some artists as far as it concerns their occult beliefs, though they are certainly free to believe and promote any religious view that they wish.  However, I think it also becomes my fellow Christians to have well thought out viewpoints and make informed statements considering such things. To do otherwise invites only scorn, ridicule, and reproach upon the name of Jesus Christ.

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61 Responses

  1. Neil Peart’s in this movie about air-drummers, you should check it out…

    http://www.adventuresofpower.com

  2. Yah i saw it it was good.

  3. Great post.
    I always thought the criticism of this album and the band was unwarranted.
    Ayn Rand was a staunch anti-Communist and the book Anthem shows where Communism will inevitably lead. If you listen close to the entire 2112 Overature there are also potshots taken at Communism and fanaticism as well.

  4. Rush as satanic…..yeah that is laughable and ignorant.

    Ignorance
    Prejudice
    And Fear
    Walk hand in hand

    Neil Peart is a lifelong learner and shining example for anyone to learn from both as a writer and musician. He never stops challenging himself to be better at what he does.

    • Well, ignorant is a good word because those people aren’t dumb but they just didn’t do their homework.

      Anyway, Peart isn’t immune from criticism, either. As for, prejudice, since you mentioned it, Peart seems to me to be prejudiced against religious people. Does that make him evil or Satanic? Obviously not, but Peart doesn’t always follow his own lyrical advice.

      • I would not say he is prejudiced against religious people.

        He could care less what people’s beliefs are. He basically says you can have a positive value system without religion. If he is prejudiced, it is against the judgment people place on others who do not conform to their views.

    • he is prominently wearing a cross here…

  5. sorry …

    here ….

  6. 2112 is one of my favorites thanks for clearing that up

  7. I’m wondering if we went to the same religious retreat in Northern California. Learned a lot of interesting false stuff about the Beatles, Earth Wind and Fire, Rush, etc
    Anyway, nice write up. You missed one thing though. In the pentacle with the naked body, the devil’s face is looking back at you. The right side of his face is showing, the left side is buried in the shadows. The devil’s horn travels up the backside of the guys left arm. :)

    • Yeah, I’ve heard about that before but decided to stick with things that are actually there. :)

    • good for you. YOU are one of the many that DOES do the research instead of blindly taking it for granted that these are 3 of “the good guys”. There is nothing MORE annoying than getting a rush fan to see the truth .. especially when it’s RIGHT BEFORE THEIR EYES

  8. here is ONE sample of what they REALLY and truly are all about.. the word “shocking”to describe it is an understatement

    http://www.illuminati-news.com/articles2/00330.html

    • I’ll let you know what I think once I have the chance to watch it.

    • Wow…Just listening to this video, it sounds like this lady has opened herself up to all kinds of demonic activity with what she admits to being involved in. It sounds to me like she has an obsession with Neil Peart and his writing. Knowing what she’s involved in, how could anyone possibly believe anything she’s saying about him, especially considering that he’s a confessed agnostic and probably doesn’t even believe in any of this stuff this lady is talking about.

      This video isn’t remotely proof that Rush is involved with anything other than in this lady’s imagination.

  9. “Your comment is awaiting moderation.”

    i see.. i get it now… since YOU are a rush fanboy as well,what i had to post WONT be shown.. at least, you’ll get to see that i was aware of that. None the less, take a look at the link that i gave… it has the truth.. the whole truth.. and nothing BUT the truth… and only ONE example of MANY that expose this trio that uses occult methods to achieve “success”

    • You posted it less than half an hour ago! I can’t sit in front of the computer 24 hours a day just in case someone happens to post a new comment. LOL!

  10. Rush are into the occult. Don’t think the star on the 2112 is Satanic? Then take a look at the one at the end of their Exit Stage Left concert. After the last song, the screen goes black. What you see is a red star similar to the one off 2112. This one has all the lines of the pentegram used in both white and black magic. It appears to be floating like the one on the cover of 2112. Fast forward to Snakes and Arrows album. On the cover is either a Hindu god or image of Buddha. His hands are pointing in the “as above, so below” position. This is used by the Freemasons and others who are in the occult. The snake is the other image used through out the album. The critics admitted that the theme of the album was Rush attacking the religous right. In an interview that can be found on youtube, a fan asks if Rush believes in God. Geddy says that God should be fired and reprimanded. Songs like Far Cry and Faithless are attacks at Christianity. On the dvd for Snakes and Arrows, it begins with occult imagery and a mysterious black baby crib that Alex and Neil are afraid of. This same crib is seen when they play Far Cry. It is identical to the one from the movie Rosemary’s Baby which was about the birth of the Anti-Christ. The Snake that is on the stage and on Neil’s drum set is an occult symbol called the Ouroboros. It is used by many in witchcraft and Satanism. It was used by Madame H.P. Blavatsky along with a Swastika as the symbol for Theosophy. Rush left no doubt that they are in the occult or worse with their latest album Clockwork Angels. The clock is full of alchemy symbols. Alchemy is witchcraft.The one at 1 o’clock is used in the Satanic Bible above the 9 Satanic Statements. Neil wears this symbol on his black t shirt each night they play. That symbol can be found on the cover for the single BU2B which is anti-Christian. It’s also on their concert t-shirts. I was a Rush fan for years and finally had to give them up. Geddy, Alex, and Neil may be nice guys, but they have a hatred for Christianity. They are not athiests. They are very much into the occult and possibly Satanism.

    • The pentacle (that’s what it’s called when the one point faces up) is at the end of the last song on “Exit…Stage Left” because it comes right after the ending of the final stage of the song “2112″ with which the pentacle is already associated. As explained in the post, the “red star” is obviously used as a symbol of evil against which the protagonist is struggling against. It’s not presented either on the original artwork for “2112″ or at the end of “Exit…Stage Left” as something they think people should worship but actually quite the opposite, as something that should be struggled against, as is symbolized in the silhouette of the naked man with his hands outstretched against the “red star” as if he is resisting it.

      As for the imagery on the “Snakes & Arrows” album, considering the subject of some of the songs is anti-organized religion, I don’t find it that odd that they would included such imagery. Again, I don’t believe for a minute that those guys worship any false gods other than possibly their humanistic beliefs which do permeate some of Neil Peart’s writings.

      • Dave, take a look at this youtube clip. One of the first ones I found. It explains what a pentegram is and what it represents along with other occult symbols.

        Many Witches and Satanists don’t believe the Pentegram, Pentacle, or upside down star mean anything evil. Those are the lower level initiates. The ones at the top know exactly what it means. They are Luciferians. The occult can be found throughout Rush’s music, album covers, and imagery. Here’s a good question. Since they are such a good band, why even dabble with these symbols? The owl on Fly By Night is an occult symbol. The King on A Farewell to Kings appears to have gone mad. Could this be a reference to Christ? He’s also using the As Above, So Below symbols with his hands. This is used in Freemasonary and the occult. On Exit Stage Left insert you see the naked man doing the same thing. The guy in the suit is using a Freemason gesture with his hand tucked into his coat.

        The song Tom Sawyer has the lyrics, “and his mind is not for rent. To any God or government”. Well, that includes the God of the Bible. Witch Hunt talks about those who don’t understand others’ beliefs. Just read the lyrics. It’s obviously talking about witchcraft. Repeatedly in the Bible witchcraft is referred to as an abomination by the Lord. Digital Man talks about spending a long long while in Babylon. Babylon was NEVER used in a positive manner in Scripture and is referred to in a very negative light during the last days. It’s referred to as a whore and one world religion. There is an all seeing eye in the cover of Grace Under Pressure hidden in the clouds. Watch the video for Mystic Rythyms. It is full of occult imagery. There is a skeleton at the end with naked bodies going round and round inside of it. Then there are demonic like creatures at the bottom of the skeleton.

        Presto has the hat used Masons levitating over a hill shaped like the unfinished pyramind on the back of the dollar bill. All of the rabbits represent fertility. That is also used in the occult. In the video for Roll the Bones, the band is seen at one point walking on water. That is blaphemy to what Christ did. They have the lyrics, “Why are we here? Because we’re here”. That is in contradiction to the Bible which states why we’re here. On each page of the cd jacket for Vapor Trails, there are tarrot cards. Again, used in the occult. I mentioned the other things I’ve noticed. I’ve studied the occult the past 11 years of my life since accepting Jesus as my Lord and Savior. For a band who claims to not be in the occult, they sure have a lot of occult images, lyrics, and references in their music and art work. I by no means hate Rush. I truly wish they would give their lives to Jesus Christ. They are gifted musicians. Having said that, the message they are presenting is non-Christian.

  11. Look at the star after the last song on Exit Stage Left.

  12. Snakes and Arrows concert. Look at occult symbols and the beginning, the baby crib in the RV with Alex and Neil and then during the song Far Cry. Check on the Snake eating it’s tail on the stage and on Neil’s drum kit. It’s called an Ouroboros in the occult.

  13. Trailer for the movie Rosemary’s Baby which is about the birth of the Anti-Christ. The same crib is used during the intro to the concert and during the song Far Cry. In the song Far Cry, the baby receives power from lightning. The Bible says Satan fell like lightning. Little guy gives a thumbs up after receiving it. The crib is scene rolling over the top of the world as well. Folks, this is not just coincedience. Rush are promoting the Anti-Christ.

  14. Symbol for the song BU2B off of Clockwork Angels which takes shots at God. Referring to Him as an uncaring Watchmaker who loves us all to death.

  15. Dude, enough of the spamming already. If you want to leave a comment or two, that’s fine but this isn’t the place for a personal diatribe.

  16. Fair enough. No more links. I didn’t think I was spamming. My point was to show you what Rush is all about. Again, they are great musicians and we need to pray for them. Regardless, Scripture says to expose the deeds of darkness. A good Christian Ministry on Music that you should check out is GoodFight.org. Joe Schimmel is awesome. You can check out his rock exposes on youtube. They Sold Their Soul For Rock and Roll is and Rock and Roll Sorcerers of the New Age Revolution are both really good.. God bless you Dave.

  17. This is from the Rush R30 DVD. It’s the Overture before The Spirit of Radio. Look at the screen behind the band at the 8:40 mark. Alex is making the 666 hand symbol over his eye. It is done by a lot of rock stars and people in the entertainment industry. Each of the 3 fingers represents a 6. The purpose of it being done over the eye is in reference to the Eye of Horus used by those in black magic. Horus is a reference to Satan. Again, I used to be a HUGE Rush fan. After giving my life to Christ, I just could not listen to them any more. Same goes for a lot of other bands. Just recently I ran across a few Rush clips off of youtube. I wanted to see how far they had gone with things since 2002. I couldn’t believe it. I know they come across as nice guys. So do a lot of other musicians. So do many in the occult for that matter. Saw where someone referred to them wearing a cross up above. All of the members of Black Sabbath wear a Cross. They’re a pretty wicked band. Lot of other musicians wear a Cross as well. It’s like a good luck charm. Nothing to do with being a Christian.

  18. Felt like I needed to show you the Rush R30 dvd. Had forgotten about it. No more video clips. Rush needs our prayers. They are great musicians and seem like nice guys. The message they’re sending is anti-Christian and pro-occult. I could not believe how much worse they had gotten with their message over the past 11 years. I’ve studied the occult exstensively since giving my life to Jesus Christ in 2002. A lot of the imagery and lyrics Rush uses are from the occult and Freemasonary. There is an H.P. Blavatsky and Aleister Crowley influence as well. It’s common in most of the bands in secular music.

    Some good Christian authors and ministers who expose music and the occult are Joe Schimmel with GoodFight Ministries / Blessed Hope Chapel in Simi Valley, CA, Dave Hunt and The Berean Call, Jeremiah Films, Caryl Matriciana, and Chuck Missler of Koinonia House. Johanna Michaelson has 2 really good books on the occult…The Beautiful Side of Evil and Like Lambs to the Slaughter – Your Child and the Occult. Dave Hunt’s book Occult Invasion is really good. William Schnoeblen has some great books and video presentations on Freemasonary, the occult, and the Illuminati. Ed Decker is another good author. He and Bill are former Freemasons and Mormons. William T Still is another Christian author on Freemasonary and the occult. John Todd is another really good speaker. You should listen to his clip on music. Adullam Films and Christian Pinto are excellent resources for topics Christians should know about as well.

    Just found a good video presentation by Paul Flynn and Megiddo Ministries called “The Power Behind The New World Order”. It has all of the Christian speakers and ministries listed above in it. It runs around 2 1/2 hours but is really informative. This film along with all of the ministries I listed can be found using google.

    God bless you Dave. This is my last post here on the site. It’s not easy letting go of things we enjoy after accepting Christ. I literally went threw a withdrawal after getting rid of all of my secular music 11 years ago. It wasn’t easy. Found some Christian musicians that I like now and enjoy the message they present. It’s not the same, but it helps with my walk with the Lord.

  19. Dave. Sorry about all of the comments. You have my permission to delete them all. I was just having a bad day and posted all of that info about Rush. Enjoy your website here. Take care and God bless man.

  20. Thanks man. Appreciate you leaving them up. God bless. <

    • No problem. I’m not a believer in censoring posts here if they don’t agree with mine. In fact, it makes discussions much more interesting. I don’t spend much time here anymore anyway, so I don’t do much moderation other than approving legitimate posts and getting rid of the spam.

      • Hey Dave. Have changed my mind. would you delete the posts I put up? I listen to Rush from time to time. Their message with most of their songs is about hope and dealing with tough times. Their more recent material is a head scratcher, but their older music isn’t too bad. Again, if you could take down my posts, i would appreciate it. My real name is Michael btw. Compared to other artists out there, Rush is not that bad. I can still participate here. i would just like to tone things down a bit. Thanks in advance man. God bless.

      • Well, i’ll leave it up to you Dave regarding leaving my posts up or not. I had a heart attack a year ago and it’s made me reassess a lot of things in life. Primarily my walk with Christ. Also have thought about what’s important and what’s not in life. I guess it boils down to this….if something affects a person’s relationship with the Lord, then they should stay away from it. If not, then things are okay.

  21. Having said that, I stand by what I said initially about Rush.They seem to have some real issues with God and those who believe in Him. As a Christian, that bothers me. Geddy, Alex, and Neil come across as nice guys who are great musicians. I just don’t understand their anger with the Lord and don’t believe it should be ignored.

  22. Disregard my last 2 posts. As I mentioned, I had gotten back into Rush again recently. I like their music, but the lyrics and symbols on their albums are just too dark for me. Just like in 2002 after giving my life to Christ, I’ve given up listening to Rush and other secular bands. It’s amazing how far they have come since 2002. Geddy, Alex, and Neil are talented musicians, but they have a hatred for God. The question is why? Their last 2 albums are very anti-God. There are Freemason and occult symbols on all of Rush’s albums and in their music. Snakes and Arrows and Clockwork Angels take things to a whole new level. One symbol from the Clockwork Angels cover that is also on the single cover for BU2B comes right out of the Satanic Bible. It’s the symbol for Brimstone. Satanic bands like King Diamond use it. Neil wears a black shirt with the symbol on it every night he plays. I’m not saying anything negative about people who listen to Rush. My point is to let others know what the band is really all about.

    • ?? You’re a christian, you believe Rush hates god, that they are satanic, members of the cult, but you’ve ‘gotten back into’ them, you want us to disregard your previous posts but you want us to know what they are “really about”.
      ..
      You’re all over the place. You sound like the only person who’s conflicted about the band.

      If anything, I believe they are agnostic/atheist, like myself. You cant hate something you don’t believe exists, nor does that make you a follower of the nemesis, Satan in this scenario, nor anti anything other then being anti-faith, believing in something that has no proof it exists.

      Lyrics such as “His mind is not for rent, to any god or government” aren’t satanic nor of the occult. Tom Sawyer is a person who thinks for himself and wont allow his thoughts to be controlled by any outside entity.

      As for all of the symbols and the huge suppositions in your analysis, what I see are artists expressing themselves creatively through different forms of art.

      If they are satanic, they are doing a poor job in bringing other people into the occult.

      And you didnt even mention the face of the devil in the naked guys back in the pentagram.
      :)

      • I have to agree, Joshua. You’re sort of all over the place here. As a Christian, if you feel strongly that the guys in Rush believe in something that is so philosophically opposed to what you believe and that their support of it comes through in their music, then I would urge you to stick to your convictions and not listen to their music. I felt the same at one time also and quit listening to them and other bands like them. Then I studied for myself and found that what I had been led to believe wasn’t necessarily so and my convictions changed.

        Now, don’t get me wrong. There are rock bands who really do believe in and practice Satanism. There are a good number of black metal bands, for instance, who even practice theistic Satanism, meaning they believe in an actual being called Satan and not just the Anton LaVey, atheistic version, where Satan is just a concept and there are no actual gods.

        I don’t believe the guys in Rush fall into that category. Have they used symbols that are associated with the occult during their career? Sure but as I pointed out in my post, it wasn’t in a way that states they think the audience should worship Satan but in a way that represents real evil and that it should be fought against by the “natural man” (represented by the naked man on the back cover of “2112″).

        That being said, I do find it curious that Neil Peart, a confessed agnostic, would wear a shirt that represents what is basically the satanic cross, represented here in this video of his drum solo. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrZ1Y9TBKZQ

        • Dave, you pretty much hit the nail on the head with how I feel about Rush. You and walrus are also correct. I need to stick to my guns and stop listening to them if they are an issue with my walk. It’s just difficult because they’re great musicians and up until 2002 I thought of them as friends. Their music helped me get through some difficult times in my life. Honestly, I’m just disappointed in the guys. Why the need to dabble in occult symbology and occult lyrics in some of their songs? Have enjoyed the discussion here. Apologize if I’ve rubbed you or anyone else the wrong way. Not my intention.

      • You’re right. I bounced back and forth there with my last few posts. Guess I’ve just struggle at times with not wanting to offend others. Also, over the past year, I got back into Rush. Had not listened to them in 10 years. Health issues have also been an issue. Nothing like a heart attack at the age of 40 to make you re-evaluate your life. I was a huge Rush fan from 1991-2002. As I originally said, I gave them up in 2002 along with other secular music when I accepted Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior.

        It’s difficult because Rush are great musicians and are a musician’s band. Their sound is not mainstream and it is a nice alternative to most of what is out there. Having said that, my point was to show others what Rush is really all about. I’ve tried listening to them again but I just have not been able to do so. Their lyrics and symbolism are in direct contrast with my Christian beliefs.

        The thing about rock stars is they’re going to tell fans what they want to hear because, well, they want to keep their fans. Rush has always been into the occult. More subtle in the past. Not so much now.

        As far as me having trouble letting go of Rush, well, it’s like any other bad habit I guess. Ephesians 6:12 says we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers and powers in the spiritual world. Trying to let go of Rush after I began listening to them again recently has not been easy. Having said that, I’m done with them now. Same goes for other things I gave up after becoming a Christian.

        You claim to be an agnostic but say your also an athiest. Well, which is it? They are 2 totally different points of view. I can assure you Rush are neither. They are into the occult and their new music removes all doubt. Again, it’s sad because they are great musicians.

        • Atheist and agnostic are not two totally different points of view. One says there is no god, the other says they dont acknowledge any god. That’s where I believe Rush is, You can write about subjects while not subscribing to the point of view represented. Neil Peart writes about a lot of different things. It’s like writing a script for tv or movies. Stephen King writes fiction about the supernatural. He’s not a satanist. The people who write the gory details on those crime shows arent serial killers.

          You cant assure me of anything about Rush because you base all of your opinions on those lyrics and abstract symbols and you make huge leaps in your interpretation. The lyrics of Tom Sawyer were a prime example.

          Just because something goes against your christian beliefs doesnt make it of the occult.

          Unless you are one of those who believes that if it’s not ‘of god, it’s of the devil’.

          • That is exactly what I’m saying. Though Rush has had an occult symbol or two on their album covers, they’ve never presented them as if it’s something they personally believe in or something their audience should place their faith in. Again, I’ll use the example of the back cover art for “2112″. Yes, the artwork contains the pentacle, which is an occult symbol used especially in witchcraft. Taken just by itself, one might have a point saying that it’s a occult symbol and meant for a more nefarious purpose. However, the use of that occult symbol has to be set in proper context. The silhouette of the naked man has his arms outstretched towards the pentacle, palms outward towards the symbol as if he’s pushing against, or struggling against the evil represented by the pentacle. Therefore, to me the very obvious statement made by this artwork is that the natural man (represented by the naked man) is struggling against (palms outward as if pushing against) evil (represented by the pentacle or the “red star”). To me, it’s highly laughable that hundreds of thousands have been led to believe, based on the one album cover for “2112″ that the members of Rush are Satanists based on that. There’s been a very real “Witch Hunt” against Rush because whoever first accused them of Satanism didn’t do their proper homework on that album. Just looking at that artwork on the back cover should have been enough, if not actually listening to or reading the lyrics of the title track.

          • An agnostic believes it’s impossible to know if God does exist, or believes that the answer may be discovered, but is currently not known. An atheist believes that God does not exist. You’re one or the other. Not both. Abstract symbols? Those who study the occult learn what those symbols mean. I understand where you’re coming from because I was the same way the first 30 years of my life. If Rush were to use 666, would that get your attention? Well guess what, they have used it. As I pointed out in the clip above with the Overture from R30 DVD, Alex makes that symbol over his right eye on the screen at the 8:40 mark. Here are explanations for what that symbol means…

            http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-IVvmN4GOPuA/TkBLjuj5gGI/AAAAAAAAAFA/kVvCHRxGLp4/s1600/Screen+shot+2011-08-08+at+3.46.57+PM.png

            Even Dave admitted that one symbol used by Rush and worn on a t-shirt by Neil each night they play is disturbing. It’s on his drumset and one or two of his cymbals as well. Anyway it’s known as the Satanic Cross and also stands for Brimstone in Alchemy which is an occult practice. As mentioned, this same symbol is found above the 9 Satanic Symbols in the Satanic Bible.

            As for the Tom Sawyer lyrics, “And his mind is not for rent to any god or government” includes the God of the Bible. Watch the dvd that’s about the making of 2112 and Moving Pictures. A DJ or record producer says those lyrics mean just what they say. His reason was because his generation had all done LSD in the 60′s and now knew how to think for themselves. As a Christian that’s a problem. The Old and New Testament of the Bible both say to avoid Pharmakeia. It’s a reference to doing drugs. Why? Because drugs open people up to the spirit world. Rush’s songs Mystic Rhythms and Freewill talk about the spirit world.

            God calls His people to be in the world but not of it. Rush is not a “neutral” band. In that same radio interview that they did for Snakes and Arrows that I mentioned earlier, Geddy says they are into the spiritism. On the documentary of the making of Snakes and Arrows, Geddy talks about how Neil receives his lyrics. He sits down and meditates and then the words come to him. Well, that is very common in the music industry. Bands are influenced by spirits. The Bible says to have nothing to do with spirits because they are demons masquerading as angels of light.

  23. Dave, I’ve enjoyed the discussion here on your board. My intention was not to upset anyone. Just express my views and concerns about the band we all are (or in my case were) fans of…Rush. I apologize for being over the top with some of my replies and flip flopping how I feel about the band. Also, walrus, I didn’t mean to upset you. Whether you’re an agnostic or athiest, just know that Jesus is never changing and is always there for us. 24 hours a day. 7 days a week. 365 days a year. God bless both you and Dave.

    • Dave, as you have noticed, I haven’t said much about the 2112 album. I’ve given you plenty of examples from their other albums and in their music to support my position. Rush are not a neutral band no matter how much you want to believe they are. Ozzy Osbourne says he’s not into Satanism and is a Christian. Iron Maiden tell fans they are not Satanists yet sing a song called the Number of the Beast. They say it’s about the movie the Omen. The lyrics talk about a Satanic Ritual and taking the Number of the Beast. Rush are no different. If they are not into the occult, then why are there tarrot cards on each page of the Vapor Trails CD book? Why is the Satanic cross on the cover of the Single BU2B? It’s a song mocking God as an uncaring Watch Keeper. Why all the Masonic symbols on their albums? Just remembered 2 more occult symbols. The arches on the albums Moving Pictures and the Spirit of Radio are Masonic. Here is what the naked man represents in white and black magic.

      http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_RNrl2Gr0VwI/Sn8a_Me7w6I/AAAAAAAABQw/6pPIfGz5lb8/s400/Religious_Occult_Satanic+Symbols.jpg

      Why do they use the crib from Rosemary’s Baby throughout the Snakes and Arrows live dvd? Again, it’s a reference to the anti-Christ. The Snake eating it’s tail found on the stage and all over Neil’s drum set is from Theosophy. Interesting that Geddy would allow this image since he is a Jew. Why do I say that? Because the swastika is on the same logo for the Theosophical Society started by Madame H.P. Blavatsky. Here is the emblem for the Thesophical Society. Hitler adopted the swastika and slept with a copy of Blavatsky’s book, “The Secret Doctrine” next to his bed. Nazism was based on Theosophy.

      http://api.ning.com/files/XEU85OyKfBU8-keCXdE8IjuV2P5inSRuozOjSQLOU6d8WXEAuOtJAfYZqjXMNtKrRjHGZi-iojmtHUFRos5YkIJoqc9zw7sr/TheemblemoftheTheosophicalSociety.jpg

      You should check out the book The Hidden Dangers of the Rainbow by Constance Cumbey. She does a great job revealing what Madame Blavatsky, Alice Bailey, Benjamin Creme, Barbara Marx Hubbard, and others are all about and the influence they have had on society. Here’s a youtube clip with Constance Cumbey talking about her book.

      Symbols have meanings even if you don’t want to believe it and they are put on albums and used in concerts by musicians for a reason. The symbols represent what the band believe and they also attract demonic spirits. As I said, I tried listening to Rush again. I just couldn’t do it and quite frankly, it was not easy to stop listening to them. That’s why I referred to Ephesians 6:12 regarding Christians having to deal with evil spirits. The enemy does not sleep. Neither do the angels who fell with him. 1/3 of all of the angels originally in Heaven. If Satan could deceive them, isn’t it logical he can deceive human beings?

      As I mentioned above, Christ said to not be part of this world. There is a reason. What we as Christians are called to do is expose the deeds of darkness. In Ezekiel we are called to be a watchman and inform others about the evils in this world. If we don’t, the blood of those who we could have warned is on our hands. However if we warn folks of dangers in this world and they just ignore it, then it’s no longer our fault. It’s similar to the parable Jesus gave about planting the seeds. Here is a good clip by Adullam Films about the Watchman mentioned of in Ezekiel.

  24. This is the clip I was referring to regarding John Todd. He was a former Satanist who gave his life to Jesus Christ. There are rumors he was killed for exposing Satanism, Witchcraft, and Freemasonary. The Bible talks a lot about evil spirits and how they influence society. Angels are musical beings so what do you think the best way they could influence people and get them to turn away from God? Music.

  25. Here’s a ministry I really like. I met Joe and members Blessed Hope Chapel back in 2005. They are great down to earth folks who have a passion for sharing the Gospel with others. What I found interesting was they ministered to folks on Hollywood Blvd once a week. People that were drop outs, runaway kids, prostitutes, etc. Several members of Blessed Hope are from those streets.

    Anyway, back to Joe. On the list of audio messages, click on the one called Joe Schimmel’s Testimony and how he gave his life to Christ.

    http://www.blessedhopechapel.org/audio.html

    Geddy Lee talks about the spiritual realm in Mystic Rhythms,

    “The more we think we know about The greater the unknown. We suspend our disbelief. And we are not alone…We sometimes catch a window, A glimpse of what’s beyond, Was it just imagination, Stringing us along? More things than are dreamed about, Unseen and unexplained, We suspend our disbelief, And we are entertained. Mystic rhythms, Capture my thoughts, Carry them away, Nature seems to spin, A supernatural way, Mystic rhythms, Under city lights, Or a canopy of stars, We feel the powers and wonder what they are”.

    There is a spiritual world around us and Rush ackowledges it. Freewill talks about it as well.

  26. Dave, I’ve enjoyed the discussion here and realize that we all have different opinions. As I said earlier, if I you think anything I’ve posted is inappropriate or off topic, you have my permission to delete it. I’ve just tried to share some things that I’ve learned since giving my life to Christ in 2002. At the end of the day that’s the most important thing. Our position in Jesus Christ. If you’d like to talk about anything off site, feel free to shoot me an email. God bless you and everyone else here.

  27. I sometimes go through and check and see what Google is indexing in my name. This conversation was one of the items that shows up under my name. So, I thought I would check and see if the conversation continued.

    I started laughing at the whole Rush is Satanic. It is a discussion that has been around since televangelist have been busted for looking at naked women and ripping off their audience. Even “That 70s Show” pays tribute to the backwards messages on LPs from the 70s. So, I thought I would share Neil’s response to the accusations of Satanism he wrote back in 1981.

    Here it is:

    http://2112.net/powerwindows/transcripts/19810719dailytexan.htm

  28. Rush may or may not be satanists. They are for sure into the occult. I used to like Rush. Tried listening to them again recently, but had to give them up once again. They have a great sound. I wish they would stop promoting the occult and were just atheists. Believe a lot of folks could live with that. Listen to Snakes and Arrows and Clockwork Angels. Look at the imagery and symbols on the albums and on the dvd’s for both tours. I pray that Alex, Neil, and Geddy will give their life to Christ. There are celebrities and musicians who have done a 180 and now live for Jesus. I’m not much of a Korn fan, but Brian Welch left the band and gave his life to Christ. He sings for Jesus now. Steven Baldwin is an actor who has done the same with his life. Unfortunately there are not enough examples because most people in the entertainment industry want what this world has to offer and don’t think about the afterlife.

    • You can add a few other names to that list…Lou Gramm (Foreigner), Mark Farner (Grand Funk Railroad), and three former members of Kansas: Kerry Livgren, Dave Hope, and John Elefante.

  29. Rush has a lot of occult symbols on their album covers. Most of them are masonic. I do not believe Joshua is misinterpreting those symbols at all, nor is he making huge leaps in interpretation. So far, everything that he has written in terms of interpretation is exactly what I would have written. I did notice the 666 hand signal used by Lifeson on the R30 video. I also noticed him covering one eye in the Vapor Trails liner notes. Joshua is correct and very observant – these hand gestures and others are becoming more prevalent in the entertainment industry. Have you noticed Tom Cruise and many celebrities, especially rap artists, creating a triangle with both hands? This is supposed to represent the pyramid on the Great Seal of the U.S. You see that emblem on the back of the $1.

    You have to understand that I was oblivious to such things until several years ago. I finally realized about 3-4 years ago that Rush had occult and masonic symbols on their album covers, like many artists in the music industry. Many in the Western world are oblivious to such symbols because we aren’t trained to see them. We are taught certain things in school and in books, but we are symbol illiterate. I’m just scratching the surface myself because learning about the occult and symbolism is a very daunting task.

    Joshua – I didn’t know about the comments Geddy made in the Snakes and Arrows documentary. What Neil is experiencing is what I believe is called automatic writing. It’s the same way Robert Plant wrote the lyrics to “Stairway to Heaven”. I have a copy of the video by Joe Schimmel. The difference between his video and most Christians who just simply claim rock music is satanic is he explains the occult significance of symbolism and lyrics, explains the meanings of lyrics, he goes in depth.

    Dave K, I want to thank you for allowing Joshua to post his comments. Most Rush fans would dismiss him. But understand there is more to Rush than most fans know. But the decision to continue listening to them is of course up to you.

    I have to say I find it quite interesting that I came across this article again, as I have read it a couple of years ago. I find it interesting that the conversation continues after 5 years, particularly that the last post was only 1 day from mine!

    • Well, any truly open-minded person should never just dismiss these kinds of comments as silly without considering them. This is an open forum and, unless someone is personally attacking another individual who posts here or the comments are just meant to be spam, any comments are welcome here, pro or con.

      I’ve studied the use of occult symbology before but it’s been a while, so there are a thing or two that I’m not familiar with that Joshua brought up and I’m grateful for that. As a believer in Jesus Christ, it’s my duty to at least listen to a person when the Holy Spirit may be speaking through others, even when I don’t necessarily agree with what they are saying.

  30. Ok, I just realized something. Take a look at these two pictures. The first picture is the Snakes and Arrows album cover. Notice the position of the person on the cover. The second is a Wikipedia entry with a picture of baphomet. Notice the position of the hands and arms (‘as above, so below’; look up this phrase if you don’t know what it means), legs crossed, light or fire over the head, the caduceus in the crotch area (excuse my language). Now tell me what you think.

    http://www.musikansich.de/news_pics/5570.jpg
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baphomet

    • You’re right Age. The hindu god on the cover is in the same position as baphomet. Good catch. Snakes and Arrows, Time Machine CD-DVD, and Clockwork Angels have satanic symbols on them. CA has the Satanic Cross at the 1 o’clock position along with other alchemy and occult symbols. This link gives the meaning of the Satanic Cross.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satanic_Cross

      I watched the new dvd from the Clockwork Angels tour online. Geddy has the Satanic cross on one of his bass guitars and Neil wears it on his shirt in the first part of the concert. All of the members of the string ensemble have alchemy symbols on their shirts. One of them wears the Satanic cross like Neil.

      The symbol in the middle of the stage is called Squaring the Circle. It represents 17th century alchemy and also the philosopher’s stone. Here is a link describing it. This site talks about the occult nature of alchemy in general as well.

      http://altreligion.about.com/od/westernocculttradition/a/Squaring-The-Circle.htm

      This is another good link on symbols. You’ll recognize many from Rush albums and on other albums by different bands. They talk about the danger of these symbols at the bottom of the page. btw, the peace symbol is used in witchcraft. It’s call the broken cross. When someone is initiated into witchcraft, a circle with a cross in it is presented to the new initiate in the coven. By pushing down and breaking the 2 sides where Jesus’ arms were, it means you no longer believe the Christian way and are cut off from Christ. Heard that from 2 former witches.

      http://www.crossroad.to/Books/symbols1.html

      Rush uses these symbols to draw power from the demonic world to help with their music. Both Angels and Demons are musical beings. By putting these symbols on their albums, dvds, and when used in concert, musicians are invoking the power of evil spirits. People who own these albums, dvds, t-shirts, etc are allowing demonic forces to be involved in their lives either knowingly or unknowingly. Those who are in the occult know the power of these symbols. Christians should stay away from them.

      I am a former Rush fan and am sad that they are into the occult. They need our prayers. So does anyone caught up in the occult. Every musician out there denies that they are using witchcraft or satanism aside from Death Metal bands and groups like Marilyn Manson. Bands like Iron Maiden and Motley Crue say they’re not Satanists. I read an interview by Vince Neil of Motley Crue and he said he laughed when people though they were practicing Satanism after they released their album Shout at the Devil. Some bands even say they are Christians. The reason they lie is because they don’t want to scare their fans. What they are doing though is leading countless numbers of individuals into the occult and in some instances out right Satanism. Many fans don’t realize it.

      Most members of different bands are nice people. I have a friend who met Bruce Dickinson of Iron Maiden and said he was a nice guy. Iron Maiden sing a song called The Number of the Beast. They say it’s about the movie the Omen, but the lyrics are about a Satanic ritual and taking the number of the beast. Rush is more subtle with their message. Those symbols on their albums are related to witchcraft, satanism, and Freemasonary. Just because Rush says they aren’t into the occult doesn’t mean they’re telling the truth.

      God says to be separate from the world and warns against those who participate in witchcraft. God detests it because he knows it is dangerous.

      As Age said, Joe Schimmel is a great pastor and breaks down secular rock and roll better than a lot of other ministries. Very thorough and down to earth. His ministry is GoodFight.org.

      • It’s interesting how the members of Rush will claim that they are agnostic or atheist, yet their album covers are inundated with occult and masonic symbolism. I have come across many of those websites that you mention, Joshua, including crossroad.to. The Wikipedia entry on the satanic cross mentions Rush and Clockwork Angels. Here’s a website that I came across numerous times when investigating occult symbolism (not to get off topic):

        http://www.thebabylonmatrix.com/index.php?title=911:Occult_symbolism

        http://www.thebabylonmatrix.com – main page.

        If anyone has doubts about the satanic cross, just check out pictures of satanic rock star King Diamond. I also find it interesting that Peart is friends with Nicolas Cage, who is very much into the occult. Also interesting is how ‘Ghost Rider’ is associated with both.

        This website has an analysis of Rush’s lyrics from a different perspective:

        http://www.egodeath.com/#_Rush

        The term ego death has meaning in the occult.

        • Thanks for sharing those links Age. What I kept seeing over and over is that there is an LSD connection to just about all of their work…especially in the 70′s and 80′s. I’ve never done LSD, but know people who have. The Bible warns against taking drugs because they open a person up to the spirit world. It goes hand in hand with witchcraft. Rush despite what they may say are into witchcraft and in my opinion have also dabbled in Satanism. I’m not talking about pop-culture satanism you see with Anton Lavey and the church of satan. I’m talking about what has been around for thousands of years and is more in line with Aliester Crowley and his work at the early part of the 20th Century. The symbols Rush used in the past were more abstract aside from those on 2112 and Moving Pictures. The man with arms outstretched pushing the pentacle away looks a lot like Davinci’s Vitruvian Man. Here is a clip from the Wiccan Book of Shadows on how witchcraft views the pentacle and Vitruvian Man.

          http://witcheslore.com/bookofshadows/witches-workshop/pentagram-and-witchcraft/4614/

  31. Altreligion.about.com mentioned the occult symbols on Clockwork Angels. The woman who wrote the article has knowledge of these symbols, otherwise she wouldn’t have written anything about them. Not everything she has written is true, for example, she denies the existence of SRA (Satanic Ritual Abuse) just because the lying FBI said it didn’t exist.

    Anyhow, what is the typical response from rabid Rush fans? One fan even hinted that the writer was like a ‘crazed evangelical propagandist’. Gosh, after all, the name of the site is altreligion, meaning ‘alternative religion’!! The writer probably wouldn’t qualify as an evangelical! ‘Dani’ even said I couldn’t name one occult lyric, yet most of Peart’s lyrics written in the 70′s and early 80′s are occult. These are the same Rush fans who consider themselves to be so intellectual, so free-thinking, so tolerant and enlightened (you can even see the clouds open up when they are elevated into the sky), yet most can’t even recognize what is in front of them. I can’t blame them entirely, because most people in western cultures are symbol illiterate. I was at one time and am still learning. The problem is when you point things out to people, cognitive dissonance sets in and they don’t want to consider it. With the exception of Robby Rush, I don’t think anyone else who responded (except for myself and maybe one other person) ‘got it’. At least other people elsewhere are recognizing the blatant occult symbolism on many music albums, including Rush.

    altreligion.about.com/ b/ 2010/ 06/ 01/ occult-symbols-obvious-in-new-rush-cover.htm

    By the way, it’s interesting watching Professor Griff of Public Enemy expose the illuminati, yet Public Enemy was inducted into the R&R Hall of Fame at the same time as Rush. I wonder if he ever considered Rush’s music and the occult symbolism in the lyrics and album covers.

  32. When it comes to talking about Rush, for the most part, you can have an “adult” conversation with fans. Try doing that with other bands out there and you get F bombed to death. Recently I posted on a link that took a look at secular rock music and got a really nasty response from one guy. All I said was to try and not listen to their favorite music for a week. You would have thought I was stealing the guy’s car and flat screen television. Lot of hatred. At least here and in other places, it seems like Rush fans can keep things civil. I truly hope Geddy, Alex, and Neil will consider giving their lives to Christ. They do have some great songs about perseverance during struggles in life. Force 10, Mission, Closer to the Heart, Far Cry (despite the video), Marathon, and Resist are a few that come to mind. They have others. Anyway, I’ve enjoyed the discussion here. Know I’ve posted some pretty harsh remarks, but don’t have anything against folks who have other points of view. For that matter, I don’t really have anything against Geddy, Alex, and Neil. Again, they seem like good guys who are just caught up in things they need to be careful with. I’ve watched documentaries about the band and seen interviews and they always come across as intelligent and humble. As someone posted here, when they opened up for KISS and other bands, the guys didn’t get caught up in the party scene. That’s saying a lot. Anyway, I by no means hate Rush and think they are by all accounts nice guys. Just wish they would stop dabbling in the occult.

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